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Precepting a PMHNP Student: 4 Important Things to Consider Before You Start

5/24/2024

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So, you have finally said yes to a student who needs a PMHNP preceptor! (Or you’re at least considering it.) Great! Thank you! Providing quality education to these future mental health providers is vital, and there is a great need for more mental health providers. But, precepting a PMHNP student is very different than precepting a Family Practice student. So, now you are asking, “How do I precept a PMHNP student?” Whether you are a psychiatrist, a PMHNP, or a therapist, here are some important things to consider first if you are going to precept a PMHNP student:

1. Patient Permission:   
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  • Get your patient’s permission to allow students in the session. Whether you, the MA, or the scheduler is asking, what’s worked for me is to phrase it positively: For example, “As you know, there is a shortage of healthcare providers, and I have/our providers have been asked to help educate some Psych Mental Health Nurse Practitioner students. Would it be ok if students participate in our/the sessions? I think they could really learn a lot from [how we work together] or [you]. You can always opt-out on a particular day if you want.” 
  • ​When precepting virtually, I had one preceptor tell me that she had a notification on the platform that reminded patients that students might be present on the visit and to let her know if that was not ok. ​
  • Many preceptors add it to the paperwork and tell patients to let them know if having a student in the session is not ok. I recommend you get something in writing so there is no question, and, of course, always allow the patient to opt out of having a student present. 
 
2. Decide how you will precept.  
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  • In-person- with this approach, the student will come into the office. Make sure you have a place for a student to sit and work. Pros: The face-to-face experience really is ideal for students. This is the best way for preceptors to assess student progress. And it’s the best way for students to connect with patients. Cons, it can feel a bit invasive to some patients, depending on the patient and situation. Additionally, it can be less inconvenient. Also, preceptors can generally only precept one student at a time.
 
  • Virtually via a HIPAA-compliant platform- This approach is one of the good things that came out of the Pandemic. With this approach, the student can log in from home. Students must hold a license where the preceptor is licensed. Pros are that it allows more flexibility for the student, provider, and patient. It can also feel less invasive to the patient than having multiple people in the room. It's also much safer than in-person for obvious reasons.  Another advantage is that preceptors can often precept more than one student at a time. This can really be a game changer for the profession if schools allow it and we (the profession) learn how to do it effectively.  This approach is frequently very popular with all parties because of the flexibility it offers, and it allows providers to reach even rural, high-need populations. Cons are that it can be hard to observe patient-provider interactions, and virtual visits can miss some of the essence of the visit that an in-person visit would reveal. On the other hand, it can give observers a peak into the patient’s home and some of the dynamics that might otherwise be missed in the office. Make sure the telepsych platform you utilize will allow 3 parties from 3 different locations. Sometimes, this requires an upgrade. (Many times, increased costs are passed onto the student or school.)
 
  • Virtually from the office. (This is essentially the same as in-person, but the student is in the provider’s office, and together, they see the patient virtually via a HIPAA-compliant platform.) 
 
3. Will students be able to see the patients and visa versa?

  • Ideally, the answer is yes, but this varies per platform, site, preceptor allowances, and preceptor and patient preference. 

4.  Will students be able to participate in the visit?
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  • Again, ideally, as the student progresses, he/she will be able to participate in the visit. Since psych patients generally have regular follow-up visits, having the student do follow-up visits often works once a relationship is established. But again, this depends on what the site, preceptor, and patient allow. However, learning how to interact with patients by actually interacting with patients is the best way to learn and grow, so if you can allow students to “test their wings a bit,” it’s ideal.

Those are some of the things you will want to consider when you precept a PMHNP student. You’ll find some video vignettes on precepting in general from NONPF, in case you want to check that out, too. This is a great article that goes into the topic in more detail as well. We’ll talk about more specifics on precepting the PMHNP student in future blogs, so make sure to follow PreceptorLink®! And hopefully, you’ll be a PreceptorLink® preceptor!

Thank you for precepting! We’re happy to advise you if you ever need it. We have decades of experience when it comes to precepting NP students! Just email or call us at [email protected] or 760-604-0913

About the Author: Lynn McComas, DNP, ANP-C, is an experienced nurse practitioner and an expert on the topic of precepting. Determined to make a difference in “the Preceptor Problem,” Lynn went on to obtain her Doctorate in Nursing Practice (DNP) at the esteemed Duke University, where she focused on finding solutions to the preceptor shortage. She is the owner and founder of PreceptorLink®. The company’s goal is to simplify and streamline the process of preceptor matching while maintaining quality and professionalism throughout. www.PreceptorLink.com 
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Convincing Your Boss to Let You Precept NP Students: A Therapist's Toolkit

5/16/2024

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Med management is not the only component of the Psych Mental Health Nurse Practitioner (PMHNP) student’s education. Learning how to develop a therapeutic relationship with patients is also a vital part of their education. And who better to help teach this to a PMHNP student than a seasoned clinical therapist? A quality therapist can contribute to a well-rounded clinical experience for PMHNP students. However, finding a therapy preceptor for a PMHNP student can be incredibly challenging. 
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I do frequently hear from therapists who want to precept Nurse Practitioner (NP) students, but administrative hurdles can stand in the way. Many times, Administrators don’t understand some of the benefits of allowing a therapist to precept a PMHNP student. So, what you can say to your boss or Administration to showcase the benefits of precepting and encourage them to say yes? And what can a PMHNP student say to a therapist to help convince him or her to precept them? (Share this article with a potential therapist!) Here are some ideas:

Collaboration and Improved Care:
  • Precepting isn't just about teaching – it fosters collaboration. Working with a student NP allows us to develop a strong foundation for communication and create more seamless care plans for our patients.  This interaction is not merely a teaching moment; it's a two-way street of learning and professional growth.

Building a Pipeline of Potential Hires:
  • The demand for Psychiatric Mental Health Nurse Practitioners (PMHNPs) is undeniable. Many therapy practices are interested in hiring a PMHNP to help manage patient care. Precepting NP students allows us to 'test the waters' with potential PMHNP future hires. It’s a practical approach to talent acquisition, providing a firsthand assessment of a student's skills, work ethic, and fit within our team before making long-term employment decisions. It's like a built-in recruitment process!

​Investing in the Future:
  • There's a growing need for mental health professionals. By precepting a student, we are directly contributing to shaping the next generation of providers who will serve our community effectively.

Utilizing Your Expertise:
  • Achieving my supervisory role was no small feat—it reflects dedication, expertise, and a deep commitment to the field of mental health.  Precepting would allow me to utilize those skills, providing valuable feedback and guidance while ensuring the student adheres to best practices. It would allow me, a seasoned therapist, to not only share my knowledge but also to affirm my role as an educator and leader within the clinical community.

Mutual Learning and Growth:
  • These students often have impressive experience. Many come to the program as seasoned FNPs or experienced RNs. While I teach them about mental health, they might offer fresh perspectives and insights that can enrich my own practice from a medical perspective. 
Things you can say that may help reduce barriers to precepting:

Show Initiative and Be Flexible:
  • I already have potential students who are interested. I'm happy to handle the initial paperwork and logistics. I can even pre-screen students to help ensure they are a good fit for our practice and patients. (PreceptorLink® can help with all of that!!)

​Highlight Your Enthusiasm:
  • Mentoring the next generation is incredibly rewarding. I'm passionate about mental health and believe my experience can have a real impact on these students, which can then be passed on to our patients and the community.
  • This opportunity allows me to stay current on the latest trends and best practices in mental health care, benefiting both myself and our patients.

​By framing precepting as an investment in the practice, the future of mental healthcare, and your professional development, you can convince your boss to give it the green light. Remember, your enthusiasm for precepting will be contagious.

About the Author: Lynn McComas, DNP, ANP-C, is an experienced nurse practitioner and an expert on the topic of precepting. Determined to make a difference in “the Preceptor Problem,” Lynn went on to obtain her Doctorate in Nursing Practice (DNP) at the esteemed Duke University, where she focused on finding solutions to the preceptor shortage. She is the owner and founder of PreceptorLink®. The company’s goal is to simplify and streamline the process of preceptor matching while maintaining quality and professionalism throughout. www.PreceptorLink.com 
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Managing Student Problems in Clinicals

5/2/2024

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Managing Student Problems In Clinicals

If you precept long enough, there is a good chance you will have an NP student who needs to be counseled or have their behavior addressed. Handling difficulties with a student during a clinical rotation can be challenging, but it's important to know how to handle the situation if it occurs. It’s essential for the preceptor to approach the situation professionally, constructively, and with the best interests of the preceptor, student, patients, and institution in mind. 

Before we get into the details, one thing I’ve heard from students several times before is that they had no idea there were issues or that the issues were that significant. So, whether this was something that was not understood by the student, not taken seriously by the student, or never clearly addressed with the student, following these steps will help avoid any confusion.

Here are steps and best practices for preceptors facing such issues:

 1. Self-Assessment and Documentation: 

Before taking any steps, assess your feelings and perceptions. Make sure your concerns are based on objective observations and not personal biases. Document specific incidents or areas of concern in detail. This can help the student understand your exact concerns. This documentation can also be crucial in case other parties need to be involved.

 2. Private Discussion with the Student: 

Initiate a private, one-on-one conversation with the student. The key here is to be:

- Clear and Specific: Outline your observed behaviors or performance issues.

- Constructive: Instead of just pointing out problems, suggest ways for the student to improve.

- Empathetic: Understand that students can have off days, and external pressures can affect performance. Listen to their side of the story.

- Non-confrontational: Use "I" statements instead of "you" statements to reduce defensiveness. For instance, "I noticed that…" instead of "You always…".
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 3. Set Clear Expectations and Develop an Action Plan:

Together with the student, create a plan to address the areas of concern:

- Goals: What should the student achieve by the end of the rotation? (Or end of week or month)

- Steps: How can they achieve these goals?

- Timeline: By when should they achieve each step?

- Feedback sessions: Regularly scheduled check-ins to evaluate progress. Determine how often the feedback should occur and follow up accordingly. 


 4. Ongoing Feedback:

Regular feedback is crucial. Praise improvements and address new or continuing issues promptly. This helps the student understand that you're not just focused on their weaknesses but also appreciate their strengths.

 5. Involve Faculty if Necessary:

If the problems persist despite your interventions, or if there are serious concerns about patient safety or professional behavior, it might be time to involve the student's academic faculty.

- Communication: Ensure you communicate your concerns clearly and provide your documentation.

- Collaboration: Work collaboratively with the faculty to decide on the next steps. They might provide additional resources, recommend remedial work, or suggest other interventions.


Precepting a challenging student can be difficult. Fortunately, this is not a frequent occurrence! But if you need it, there are also links on our Resources page with videos on Precepting the Challenging Student. While I hope that things do not escalate, there are times when the student needs to be removed or dismissed from the clinical rotation. We’ll discuss that challenging topic in an upcoming issue. We’ll also discuss things from the student’s perspective on Managing Preceptor Problems in Student Clinicals because they can happen on both sides! Stay tuned. In the meantime, keep on learning, and thanks for precepting!


About the Author: Lynn McComas, DNP, ANP-C, is an experienced nurse practitioner and an expert on the topic of precepting. Determined to make a difference in “the Preceptor Problem,” Lynn went on to obtain her Doctorate in Nursing Practice (DNP) at the esteemed Duke University, where she focused on solutions to this problem. She is the owner and founder of PreceptorLink®. The company’s goal is to simplify and streamline the process of preceptor matching while maintaining quality and professionalism throughout. 

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    About Lynn:

    As a longtime NP with a desire to help and make positive changes to her beloved profession, Lynn often writes opinion pieces about the NP profession. 

    She has written articles for KevinMD as well as several posts on LinkedIn. Her writings have been shared over 50,000 times, and her article entitled "A Message for FNP Students Doing Their Pediatrics Rotations" is often shared by schools of nursing to FNP students. 

    Lynn would love to connect with others who want to make positive changes to the NP profession,  especially related to the preceptor problem. She can be reached at: 
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